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Tarks
08-03-2014, 11:39 AM
Hi all just thought I would share some info on injectors.

the oem injectors are not serviceable simply replaceable only.

so finding out my injectors were lazy I went through a box of my old boy racer bits.

I found an identical injector from a 1.4i citreon saxo I once tuned silly

so the peugeot 106 206 306 307 1007 Also share the same engine and electrics especially the injectors.

Now the important bit £20 NEW EACH :D

version or part no = 1984E0 injector.

Cheap as chips Ill have two new one please :) best of all rebuld seal kits also are the same!

Stanleybobly
08-03-2014, 01:53 PM
Now that's a news. Just need to spray &, test them if they are the same.

the_toe_cutter
08-03-2014, 01:54 PM
If thats so thats a good solid find Tarks, credit were due.

BigSteve
08-03-2014, 02:12 PM
:plus:...Nice detective work Dean..proof of the pudding will be to bolt them on & tell us how they perform...:D

Tarks
08-03-2014, 02:16 PM
Yup I'm going to leak off test them next week to compare. Only due to no flow rate info being avail for the apes.
i have one of these---
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171348065193 to cycle the injectors accurately. I bought it after cylinder troubles with my old Nissan 300zx TT at the time I looked for all ways to save money as running it was pricey enough.
I also have my own ultrasonic cleaner from my mothers ex jewellery shop its a bloody great tool.

The capo injectors are getting cleaned and tried first but these are the very same sagem injector so I imagine the test to prove they are a sound replacement for others

I removed my capo's injectors and bar a blue band (put on by sagem for flow rate ID on Citroens and Peugeot's)
its identical in every way. Unfortunately I cant leak test the ones I have from my saxo as my shed leaked and filled the tub with water putting 12v to them and nothing happens :( for the money tho I'm buying New ones to try out.

The Capo injectors are filthy! I dare say most my poor throttle response issues and hesitance is down to these filthy lazy injectors. I have never seen such a build up of gunk and scale!

Leak off results on the new and old coming soon ;)

Segen Aprilia caponord on the LEFT...... CITREON SAXO 1.4i on the RIGHT.

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the_toe_cutter
08-03-2014, 02:40 PM
Had you tried injector cleaner or are they beyond that?

Is it un/likely that injectors that are outwardly identical would have similar spray pattern shapes and flow rates? Id have thought that used in different applications (cars with different displacements, chambers, heads) they would be designed to work differently?

Then again i think i remember one of the brains explaining way back that our twin spark heads were the result of necessity to make a complete burn (dont they fire simultaneously).
Perhaps this was the result of aprilia having specd these parts bin injectors to rotwx at design brief?
Hope they are the same, would be a great fix where needed.

Step by step with pics on replacement and installation would be nice.

BigSteve
08-03-2014, 02:48 PM
Step by step with pics on replacement and installation would be nice.

:plus: Mandatory ...:rolleyes:

deefred
08-03-2014, 02:50 PM
I had my injectors ultrasonically cleaned and flow checked.

Flow test was made during 30s at 3 bar and 50% duty cycle (3msec open and 3msec closed) and both injectors were measured to 111 cc.

Tarks
08-03-2014, 02:55 PM
Just found these on the well known auction site
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261537648128
Im sure I can get them through work cheaper I'll find out 2moro.

Tarks
08-03-2014, 03:00 PM
I had my injectors ultrasonically cleaned and flow checked.

Flow test was made during 30s at 3 bar and 50% duty cycle (3msec open and 3msec closed) and both injectors were measured to 111 cc.

brilliant thanks for that :D

Tarks
08-03-2014, 03:25 PM
Untill I can clean up the capo sagem ones and test them against the other sagem alternative we wont 100% know.
DeeFred has definately given us a starting point to work off thanks again for that.

as far as fuel burn and spray pattern etc its more important for direct injection setups. Our bikes fire into the tb's so its not as critical.

As long as the pressure and volume is the same on replacements all should be fine given the spray pattern is simular if not identical.

Tarks
08-03-2014, 03:33 PM
Had you tried injector cleaner or are they beyond that?

Is it un/likely that injectors that are outwardly identical would have similar spray pattern shapes and flow rates? Id have thought that used in different applications (cars with different displacements, chambers, heads) they would be designed to work differently?

Then again i think i remember one of the brains explaining way back that our twin spark heads were the result of necessity to make a complete burn (dont they fire simultaneously).
Perhaps this was the result of aprilia having specd these parts bin injectors to rotwx at design brief?
Hope they are the same, would be a great fix where needed.

Step by step with pics on replacement and installation would be nice.

I ran injector cleaner in the last 4 tanks of fuel on occasions the bike ran fine but a week later crap again so after changing absolutely everything else its almost safe to say the injectors are a likely culprits for my poorly troublesome crapo.

Tarks
08-03-2014, 03:41 PM
TTC,
The need for twin spark is irrelevant here imo as if we coax the attention of catfish im sure he runs single spark heads in his track beasts. Maybe he can confirm this and explain why n how.


I promise to do a pin-able full write up and change the first thread starting post with it.

Stanleybobly
08-03-2014, 04:22 PM
Grease the o-rings when putting the injectors back in. İt is very very tight.
Easy to nick the oem Viton rings.......

Tarks
08-03-2014, 04:56 PM
Grease the o-rings when putting the injectors back in. İt is very very tight.
Easy to nick the oem Viton rings.......

Vasaline at the ready for all seals bar brakes then I use RRG ;)

Saffa Gaz
08-04-2014, 03:53 AM
Will be interesting to see the results, Reckon that's a job coming up on mine as she's running a bit rough. Keep us posted Tarks. good find if they work.

BigSteve
08-04-2014, 05:19 AM
Will be interesting to see the results

Think we all are Gaz, as the replacement aprilia OEM parts (Item 2) are extortonate in comparison...:crowbar:

259321

http://www.ultimateparts.net/aprilia/a.php?n=AP8106889-Injection-valve-cpl.-Throttle-body-Aprilia-ETV-1000-Capo-Nord-2001,2002,2003-Aprilia-Parts-and-Spares-Genuine-OEM&i=369773

Tarks
08-04-2014, 05:24 AM
No kidding steve! If i can prove these alternatives are worthy its made them a consumable item relatively cheap tbh
Ouch----
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b183/tarks/55B8CCA6-A441-48AE-83CE-41255BBC9BFD.png (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/tarks/media/55B8CCA6-A441-48AE-83CE-41255BBC9BFD.png.html)

BigSteve
08-04-2014, 05:32 AM
Another case of us Brits being ripped off again...AP8106889 in the UK = £220.51 .....USA = $121.16...:bond:

Stanleybobly
08-04-2014, 05:48 AM
Welcome to the E.U. :lol:

BigSteve
08-04-2014, 09:37 AM
Welcome to the E.U. :lol:

Yeah well I'm not sure the E.U will be around for much longer...:rolleyes:...IMO it's days are numbered..:crowbar:

Tarks
08-04-2014, 04:32 PM
Yeah well I'm not sure the E.U will be around for much longer...:rolleyes:...IMO it's days are numbered..:crowbar:
:plus:

Tarks
08-05-2014, 02:18 PM
UPDATE:

Using the logbook of my saxo I ordered an injector.....

it came different to what I already have :/ single exit nozzle and much lower on leak off testing in for a penny in for a pound I stuck it in my capo to see what happend sure enough it fired on 1 and a bit cylinders lol. So I know these injectors in my shed are from a car question is which one of the cars ive tuned over the years It was mixed in with citreon saxo bits so assumed they was the stock ones from that WRONGGGGG :(

so they also could be MG F 1.8 na injectors as I messed with one of those also lol.

I have four from somewhere identical to the capo's having never had any other capo or fut injectors out before they must be from a car ive owned or worked on no other bike has sagem injectors ive had only Denso's like the Mille,Tuono,Falco.

I WILL FIND A SUPPLIER AND RESULT. This will not get the better of me...... Yet lol

hey ho £23 quid short and one avenue closed the search continues.

deefred
08-05-2014, 02:42 PM
Can you list all the markings you see on the Aprilia injector?

I wrote it down somewhere but it was some years ago.....

Tarks
08-05-2014, 05:58 PM
I've built the bike back up now but from the car ones "identical" they are 01F013A sagem injectors. The model A1F003A type seem close to the cc rate needed fitted to 2.0 cars and are readily available cheaply. I have a mate at a tuning garage doing some tests for me. injector cleaning tuning etc is his job. I'll know more soon.

Tarks
08-06-2014, 06:36 AM
Found out that the 01F013A injector is an obsolete injector according to a supplier of Sagem injectors I'm in the process of being sent Sagems avail injectors list and part numbers.

I will then request supersession info. A supplier has suggested an alternative but I'm checking up on it.

Nito
08-06-2014, 07:40 AM
So the Capo injectors are 440cc each basically.

You're probably aware anyway but you need to check impedance as well to check if they are low or high impedance or you might risk damaging the injectors or ecu. Just put a multimeter across the terminals on the injector (less than 3 ohms ish then they are low impedance and they would need to be running with a resistor pack. If between 12-16 then high impedance and you won't need to run a resistor pack.) I don't know what the Capo uses, would be interesting to know.

Regards
Nito

Nito
08-06-2014, 07:45 AM
http://mrinjectoruk.co.uk/Citroen-Peugeot-Renault-14-8-Valve-sagem-injector-H001-P246088.aspx

This link says to fit Bosch instead, perhaps the one you have is a superseded one? The H001 (8 valve 1.4 renault/citroen/peugeot )looks like the one you posted earlier.

BigSteve
08-06-2014, 09:54 AM
Awesome...Fuel Injector tennis with Nito & Tarks...:lol:

Seriously good research guy's keep it up...:D

deefred
08-06-2014, 11:53 AM
So the Capo injectors are 440cc each basically.

You're probably aware anyway but you need to check impedance as well to check if they are low or high impedance or you might risk damaging the injectors or ecu. Just put a multimeter across the terminals on the injector (less than 3 ohms ish then they are low impedance and they would need to be running with a resistor pack. If between 12-16 then high impedance and you won't need to run a resistor pack.) I don't know what the Capo uses, would be interesting to know.

Regards
Nito

The workshop manual says 11.5 - 13 ohms @ 20 degrees C.

GH_services
08-06-2014, 11:56 AM
stock capo injectors are sagem pa6-gf30

BTW, we now have a proper injector cleaning and testing station at work now

Tarks
08-06-2014, 12:06 PM
The 3 stooges will get there in the end lol great additional info thanks :D

deefred
08-06-2014, 12:11 PM
stock capo injectors are sagem pa6-gf30

BTW, we now have a proper injector cleaning and testing station at work now

That number is only which material the body is made of http://www.plastim.co.uk/pa6gf30.htm

Tarks
08-06-2014, 12:33 PM
So 01F013A is the correct no for the actuall injectors by catalog/part number for Sagem forgetting the Aprilia part no of course.

Saffa Gaz
08-07-2014, 03:38 AM
So 01F013A is the correct no for the actuall injectors by catalog/part number for Sagem forgetting the Aprilia part no of course.

You asking us or telling us! :cigar:. Serious though, top marks for all the investigation. I look forward to the conclusion.

BigSteve
08-07-2014, 04:08 AM
stock capo injectors are sagem pa6-gf30

BTW, we now have a proper injector cleaning and testing station at work now

Hi Grant,

Out of interest, May I ask what the cost is to clean & test injectors..& is it a job that we can post the injectors to you, or is it best to have the bike present in your workshop?

Until Dean comes up with an alternative non aprilia injector it maybe worth just having our current ones cleaned..:confused:

What mileage would you recommend having them cleaned..:confused:

Tarks
08-07-2014, 03:03 PM
You asking us or telling us! :cigar:. Serious though, top marks for all the investigation. I look forward to the conclusion.


I'm Tellin YA lol


Update..........


It's looking like I maaaaay be able to source high Impedenace 11-14ohms 440cc High performance Quad exit Injector for approx £90 each INC VODKA & TONIC + P&P.

Yes still pricey but with knowledge comes great power to continue to find cheaper alternatives.
Its still a HUGE saving on £250 from Aprilia.

I'm keeping schtum on spec atm as I'm trying to wangle a test set for my bike mucho cheapo and get them in to test in Ireland, following that after with a visit to Grant for a fettle n GH S wizzardry. His Map proves clearly better for our octane fuels in the UK if not Europe... well Norway anyway lol.

it seems the hardest thing to find is the operation pressure as most car injectors like 3.5 bar our bikes 3.0 so I'm hoping as cars are (the ones with suitable injectors) are 4 cyl the extra .50 bar is for FOUR injectors not Two.

So in laymans squirt em n see terms I'm willing to trial a set in my bike. after flow testing etc with a mate at 3.0 bar bench tests.

Thanks All for the input and I'll update with more info when I have some results that lead to a viable option.


It's looking positive though!

On the cleaning note....

I have seen positive results on my bike simply from TB strip downs de gunking/scaling all parts of the intake system right up to the valves.


Grant what rebuilt kit do you use for the Inlet filter on the Injectors? I cant find one at all.
or is back flushing the only current option?

with the possible alternatives A rebuild kit should be avail for approx £25 this will do FOUR injectors though Inc Inlet filter insert and top + bottem Viton O-rings.

I'm trying to setup a supplier deal for just two Injectors and two rebuild kits.

I'll come back to this thread as soon as I know more confirmed.

Cheers All

Tarks

GH_services
08-07-2014, 04:08 PM
im very aware that this site is run by a motorcycle dealership and i dont want to tread on our hosts toes

probably best to pm me any questions relating to my line of work :burnout:

Nito
08-07-2014, 04:16 PM
Where did you get 3.5bar from with cars? All my tuned turbo cars have been set to a differential pressure of 3bar. ie if running 1.5bar boost pressure overall fuel pressure would be 4.5bar. FPR dialled in to 3bar with vacuum hose disconnected. At 0 boost pressure fuel pressure would be 3bar, can't remember what it read on vacuum now (obviously less, guess it would drop to 2.5bar in real time) as I always set the gauge to differential pressure (which tells you the difference in fuel pressure between real time fuel pressure minus the boost pressure being run) so if it dropped below 3 bar I had warnings setup so I knew instantly if I had an issue.

Tarks
08-07-2014, 06:21 PM
The injector supplier tech specs on the range of injectors im looking at operate at 3.5 nito but as I said thats four! Not two tho. I can only go on the info given and test myself. Its uncharted teritory and if it was easy.... It would already have been sorted by far more clued up capo owners than myself.

so as ive said ill bench test certain injectors myself and see what results I get suppliers for stock cars rarely know what they are selling imo so we'll see When I have more than chat over a few phone calls and emails.

if anyone feels they have a technical grasp on injectors and can come up with an aftermarket option dunna worry about me fill ya boots :D

I'm very surprised it's not been addressed already tbh.

I'm not an injector or fuel injection boffin more a webber carb guy.
This is new to me but I learn quickly.

deefred
08-08-2014, 12:12 AM
Injector data is always per injector.
It should not make any difference of how many injectors are connected as the fuel pressure regulator (fpr) will keep the same pressure for all injectors if the pump is correctly sized.

Our pump is continously running and if there is no fuel is coming back to the fuel tank from the fpr, it means the pump cannot deliver fuel pressure high enough.

This is a very vital to know for troubleshooting.

Nito
08-08-2014, 12:47 AM
Carry on Tarks, its good work you're doing. I'm just chipping in where I can to try and help. Just test them at 3 bar and see what they flow, to get comparative data with Deefred's. That said, maybe the Capo runs at a higher pressure, who knows? Does it say in the manual what the Capo should run at? It doesn't really matter what they were tested at by the manufacturers, just gives a good basis. Shame I haven't got a suitable T piece, I could have rigged up a gauge to my return line to see what fuel pressure the Capo runs at and pulled the vacuum hose (assuming it has one) to see what base fuel pressure is set at. Then you'd know what to test the injectors at. Do you know if the Tuono runs the same injectors?


I was just curious where the 3.5bar came from, sounded a little high to me but my experience is solely with turbocharged Japanese cars.


While on the subject of alternative fit parts, I wonder if CanAm Spyder coilpacks would go on, the spyders upto 2013 all use the Rotax 1000cc V twin. The coikpack is a really neat box with two small square packs mounted together. There only seems to be one plug going into the unit to feed two coil packs. I haven't looked into Capo coil packs yet to see what the Lt. side looks like. There's also lots of aftermarket companies offering uprated HT leads for them but they're not cheap. Edit: Ignore Can Am off topic, the Can am setup uses one plug per cylinder.


cheers
Nito

deefred
08-08-2014, 01:13 AM
It runs at 3 bar unless the fpr mod is done.
I checked with a pressure gauge.

Nito
08-08-2014, 02:20 AM
Great info thanks Deefred. What is the fpr mod?

Is the fpr (manifold) referenced or non reference type? I would have thought the former but I don't have a whole load of experience with NA.

the_toe_cutter
08-08-2014, 02:22 AM
Lads, give us a quick rundown of symptoms of running issues with injectors? I dont meqn ones who are broken but ones whos performance is perhaps marginal, not atomising fully or blocked slightly. Will fuel pressue ramp up, mpg suffer or will that pot just be lean?

Capoandrew
08-08-2014, 02:25 AM
While on the subject of alternative fit parts, I wonder if CanAm Spyder coilpacks would go on, the spyders upto 2013 all use the Rotax 1000cc V twin.

Unfortunately it's a completely different setup. Yes it's a Rotax motor, but apart from the short motor the rest is quite different. Don't quite me but single plug for a start. Tis a pity....

I had a look at the coils on a Spyder some months back and gave up with the LT side being quite different. Actually, it's closer to the RSV in style.

deefred
08-08-2014, 02:45 AM
Great info thanks Deefred. What is the fpr mod?

Is the fpr (manifold) referenced or non reference type? I would have thought the former but I don't have a whole load of experience with NA.
Make a search for fpr mod. Im typing on the phone which I hate.
Fpr is connected to the airbox not the manifold. Fpr mod connects it to the manifold lowering the fuel pressure at high vacuum conditions.

Nito
08-08-2014, 03:30 AM
Thanks Deefred, so it is a referenced fpr then. Hmmm, odd to connect it to airbox! I'll check out the mod.

Cheers Andrew, had already edited my post after looking at the coilpacks, realy pity as Can Am use the same coilpack on all their machines and they're built to withstand all environments (think Quads etc). Looking at the plug they run a three pin plug so I guess it would be possible to modify the capo setup (2 wires per coil but one of them must be/could be a shared wire) and use two of the can am coil pack modules but it's altering the stock Capo wiring which I'd prefer to avoid, even though its tempting for a better setup but one would never know if its an improvement until trying! The Can am coil is a neat little unit too.

259640

259641

anyway, apologies Tarks for going horribly off topic here!

Basically TC just inefficient combustion, reduced performance, mpg pretty much as you say, in bad cases, yes you would run lean and hot with the associated issues that could bring but I think you'd notice it running pretty shit on a 2 cylinder lump. If really bad I doubt the engine would run, would probably conk out as you wouldn't get the combustion. In my experience injectors are pretty robust with an excellent service life. I've removed 20 year old injectors and they've been perfect, but then I'm talking Denso (japanese) ones, not French shit so can't comment on the Capo ;)

Also of late, fuel quality seems to be getting worse and bikes do lower mileages which probably goes against them. I only use Super UL (and Esso if poss) in my toys if I can help it.

Regards
Nito

Tarks
08-08-2014, 05:27 AM
Lean or rich, poor tick over, poor throttle response pinging/pinking from lean mixtures poor starting etc etc the list is almost endless.

however... Many of the typical symptoms are shared by ignition timing, poor spark, failing HT leads, failing coils and infamous vac leaks.

Its never straight forward

Tarks
08-08-2014, 05:31 AM
This fpr mod might actually assist my issues also I'll look into it


ps no problem nito I'm not as pc about thread topics as some may be as long as it swings back around at some point its all good

Tarks
08-13-2014, 03:49 AM
HELP PLEASE
A supplier is asking me what the static flow rate is on the stock injectors and if they are a split stream nozzle or single stream.

With this info we should be able to source some squirters :)

Nito
08-13-2014, 04:02 AM
Is that the standard parts department response for I can't be arsed to do any more on this, usually the first line when disturbing their slumber is; what's the chassis number?! ;) "I don't know but it's a 2004-2007 model year" "sorry, I need the chassis number"!!!

Taken from the net;
What is fuel injector static flow rate?

Manufacturers rate fuel injectors by the maximum amount of fuel that they can flow in a given amount of time at a given pressure. This measurement is known as Static Fuel Injector Flow Rate and is normally taken at 100% duty cycle and a fuel pressure of 43.5 PSI.

In this case I would say from info earlier in the thread, 444cc/min at 3bar.

To elaborate, each injector at 100% duty cycle will flow 444cc's of fuel per minute at a static pressure of 3 bar. It's pretty much an industry norm the 3 bar bit. Usually, it's good practice that the fuel system should not exceed 80-85% injector duty cycle in use as a maximum so as not to over exert the injector and give it time to recover between cycles/not overheat the injector.

Tarks
08-13-2014, 04:17 AM
No its a car injector supplier that has no information on an 01F013A Sagem injector lol in his entire Sagem listing these injectors don't exist!

Clearly they do, we have them lol.
fowlers of bristol and the rocket center both confirm the injector to be a current model so someone MUST be able to source them somewhere.

If not this guy is doing his best to match the characteristics and demand by ways n means of an alternative part.
the more specific the info the better the chance to find a CHEAPER alternative.

he needs that info I will be sending my injectors for testing to him after Ireland but if anyone has this info I dont or wont have to lol

Nito
08-13-2014, 04:25 AM
I had my injectors ultrasonically cleaned and flow checked.

Flow test was made during 30s at 3 bar and 50% duty cycle (3msec open and 3msec closed) and both injectors were measured to 111 cc.

I'm taking the piss re parts departments because a) I know you're involved in that and b) I used to be in the motor trade and there are so many unhelpful buggers in parts departments and a few stars!

The info you need I posted above. Deefred gave the info quoted ^ back on page 1. (111cc tested at 50% for 30 seconds = 444cc in a minute at 100% duty.)

The info you need to give him is therefore 444cc/min at 3bar.

Tarks
08-13-2014, 06:09 AM
So are they single or twin fire pattern?

I also resemble that remark Nito lol

tbh its my pet hate dealing with clueless parts monkeys that do not make the effort to help and investigate. Or even care to consume knowledge to constantly improve service. My parts lads are told to get in the workshop and touchy feely the parts (the tec 's don't like being touched n grabbed tho ;) ) they constantly quiz the tec 's and learn.

We sell parts knowing what they are what they do.

Not to brag but our lads know there stuff and care for customer satisfaction. I insist on it :)
I'm proud to manage my team. Our customers live closer to other ford dealers but use us because we are better at customer service and parts knowledge.


Its shocking just how many general parts depts are useless.

I hate going to the rocket centre in blackburn the parts staff are clueless with anything regardless of year or model past service parts.
I have to spoon feed them info every time grrrrrr.

Fowlers of Bristol are very good tbh never had a poor exp yet and used to use them when I parts managered @ Planet Bikes Leic.

anyway I digress this spray pattern/type.. Which is it? Lol

the_toe_cutter
08-13-2014, 06:28 AM
Tell him its "squirty" lol.
Pm Micah, iirc, which i often dont, he recently acquired a rig for testing injectors and had been offering a service testing and matching examples based on their performance. If anyone will know he will.

the_toe_cutter
08-13-2014, 06:40 AM
Her ya go http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?284112-Has-anyone-tried-to-clean-injectors-Is-it-possible

Further reading...http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?244709-futura-caponord-injectors-flow-rate

Oh, and yer famous.. http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?295391-Capo-and-Futura-Fuel-injectors

Ksaplostra
02-16-2017, 08:39 AM
so,do the saxo ones work for us?

mike13th
02-20-2017, 09:16 AM
I'd like to know if you guys found a injector replacement. My Capo is in desperate need for a pair.
The bike has been sitting for the past 6 months cause there is no way im paying Aprillia €300 for EACH injector, i'd rather trash the bike. What a joke...

deefred
02-20-2017, 09:22 AM
Why do you want to replace them?
They seldom fail.
If they are dirty they can be cleaned in an ultrasonic bath and flow tested by certain shops.

Matt fe2o3
02-20-2017, 06:59 PM
Have to agree - clean them. My capo sat for years before being sold with fresh fuel only periodically going in. I never pulled them and I should - but squeak by on Techron cleaner in heavy doses one or twice a year. It's pissing down rain here - I should pull them now and mail them to AF1 for cleaning...

mike13th
03-03-2017, 09:00 AM
Hey guys thanks for the replies. I took them for ultrasonic cleaning and testing twice, the rear cylinder injector works by 80% and slowly declining (the bike is absolutely undrivable at this state) , for whatever reason it can't be restored to 100%, my mechanic said its unavoidable, they need to be replaced. He called Aprilia in my country (Cyprus) to ask how much they cost so we can order them, they said 600 EUR a set, we closed the phone on the guys face whilst laughing and crying hysterically.

And here we are, looking for an alternative, cheaper replacement, mind you i ordered the injectors mention in this thread (1984E0) from ebay at 40 EUR a set, I personally believe they wont work but hey, at least i have to try something.

Nightquest
10-31-2017, 06:05 PM
Hi guys. Do you have any news about fuel injector replacement? It looks like 1984E0 not a best choice cause they have only one hole for spraying gasoline...

Stu_O
11-18-2017, 07:01 AM
As we know, some critical parts for these bikes have gone obsolete, and with no known acceptable alternatives. I haven't seen any good used Capo throttle bodies FS in a long time, but several Futura ones have shown up. Here's the latest, and it's a really clean set at a good price. http://tinyurl.com/ybw5w9pl
So for $99, you get an aluminum body you can't use on the Capo, but... you can use the injectors, FPR, TPS, all plastic fuel pipes and O rings, and idle air screws - all unobtanium these days. If you don't need those parts now, clean them up and put away as spares. This seems to me to be smarter and a lot less expensive than fooking around buying car injectors that look the same but won't work on the bike - waste of time and money. Just saying...

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haga lout
11-18-2017, 08:24 AM
Hi Stu why can't you use the futura tb's ? Am I missing something I know some have put them on

Stu_O
11-18-2017, 08:35 AM
Hi Stu why can't you use the futura tb's ? Am I missing something I know some have put them on

Yes, some have put them on, but that doesn't mean they worked properly. Their bore is larger than the Capo TB, and they will alter intake velocity. Remember, the Futura engine is in a different state of tune.

ShiVaaN85
01-21-2018, 07:46 PM
Hey guys dose anyone know the spray ark of the stock injectors or of there is any offset angle.
Am looking at replacing mine and cant sorce original injectors. Have tryed cleaning but the injectors are jaming and misfiring when they get hot.
I have ordered some Siemens Deka 440cc. They are 14.5mm oring 12.5 ohm and are a little shorter then stock but ill just machine some spacers. They have 30° cone spray.

http://www.siemensdekafuelinjectors.com/42-lb-hr-siemens-deka-fuel-injectors-high-impedance-short-style/

bkmo
01-21-2018, 10:44 PM
Hey guys dose anyone know the spray ark of the stock injectors or of there is any offset angle.
Am looking at replacing mine and cant sorce original injectors. Have tryed cleaning but the injectors are jaming and misfiring when they get hot.
I have ordered some Siemens Deka 440cc. They are 14.5mm oring 12.5 ohm and are a little shorter then stock but ill just machine some spacers. They have 30° cone spray.

http://www.siemensdekafuelinjectors.com/42-lb-hr-siemens-deka-fuel-injectors-high-impedance-short-style/

I have seen some specs on the Triumph Sagem injectors. This is the forum, it is a good read. The image below is the attachment
http://www.thespeedtriple.com/forum/factory/15912-sagem-triumph-fuel-injectors.html

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calgaryjeff
01-27-2018, 01:50 PM
I have found that running a can of this stuff through (broken up into 2 or 3 tankfuls) helps keep them shiny and clean. It's not a full on service but it will do a great job of de-gunking the injectors and the entire fuel system.

https://www.bgprod.com/catalog/gasoline-fuel-system/bg-44k-fuel-system-cleaner/

:cheers:

ShiVaaN85
05-14-2018, 06:00 AM
sorry for the delayed reply but have been running the above mentioned injectors since start of Feb and have done 3500-Km since and ride daily.
Have fatten up the map quite alot to see what these babies can do.
Im happy with the results thus far but im not afraid of an experiment. so know your risks.

Matt fe2o3
05-16-2018, 01:50 PM
Hey guys dose anyone know the spray ark of the stock injectors or of there is any offset angle.
Am looking at replacing mine and cant sorce original injectors. Have tryed cleaning but the injectors are jaming and misfiring when they get hot.
I have ordered some Siemens Deka 440cc. They are 14.5mm oring 12.5 ohm and are a little shorter then stock but ill just machine some spacers. They have 30° cone spray.

http://www.siemensdekafuelinjectors.com/42-lb-hr-siemens-deka-fuel-injectors-high-impedance-short-style/

I'm curious what you mean by "shorter" and where the spacers would go. Sorry if this sounds silly - I'm just trying to picture how a shorter injector would fit.

CapoETV
05-26-2018, 01:36 PM
Does anyone have good pics of the injector, say from various angles? Pictures that are clean enough in detail so that someone who really knows this inside and out could have a reference point and then from a selection compare specifications from that lot? The Sagem injectors don't seem to cross reference but that doesn't mean there isn't one. I'm just trying to lend a hand here.

toto13
09-06-2023, 10:11 AM
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