mac22
firefrost said:
A good start. That's how it began for me....
Mac22
Tips for reading with the Marseilles
A good start. That's how it began for me....
Mac22
jmd
Fantastic!
.... what else can I add!?
.... what else can I add!?
firefrost
Oh, wow - I'm on the right track! It's twenty past midnight, and I'm now going to bed on a high!
le pendu
firefrost said:
You've got it.
You're getting to know the "characters"... and they'll change too. Depending on the situation... boredom may suddenly look a lot more like fear, or doubt, or many other emotions.
I love watching the eye contact (or lack thereof). WHAT is about to happen between these characters? What will they say to each other? How will they get along? Sometimes they seem downright randy (wink wink, nudge nudge), other times threatening. Do they know each other already?
I love the Noblet King of Coins, (note to FF: COINS! What the heck is a pentacle?
), he looks so noble and wise. I love his beard. I wonder if he is the brother of the King of Cups? (who seems a very warm fellow to me, he reminds me of my dad). 
Look at the body language! Look at the hand positions. Look at their clothing. What do their settings tell you about them? Their thrones?
The Knight of Batons is one of my favorite cards. I LOVE what you said about the horse whispering to him!!!! That's a terrific observation! His face is so wonderful, and that horse!!! Who is looking at the Baton? Who's not? Or are they both? Are they moving? Forward? Turning around? Compare this couple to the Knight of Cups. How do these Knights match their steeds? Who would you rather meet? Why? Who is wearing armor?
firefrost, please post your thoughts only if you wish too.. I intended the questions, just as I have added more.. simply as examples of how I like to look at the cards. You're obviously doing this already by the examples you posted above of your thoughts on the cards. You're off to a great start, and, believe it or not, you're already a TdM reader!
PS.
I want to acknowledge Jean-Claude Flornoy for the incredible job he did in restoring this deck. His website to learn more about him, the Noblet, and his thoughts on the TdM: http://www.tarot-history.com
Melanchollic
I humbly offer a few of my personal 'tips' for reading, not just with the Marseille, but any deck that doesn't have pre-conceived meanings illustrated on the pip cards.
TIP #1 - Define 'reading'
What are you doing when you read? Is it a Jungian 'free-association' method? Are you attempting to predict the future? What is it EXACTLY that you are trying to do here? Know and commit to whatever it is. Define it for yourself, and be able to explain it to your 'victims'. If the querent is wanting to know which horse to bet on, and you can only give advice about why he has a need to gamble, you need another querent, and he needs another reader. Always let your querent know what sort of 'reading' they'll be getting, and don't be afraid to decline a querent if his inquiry doesn't mesh with your 'style'.
TIP #2 - Be a Sponge
What ever your approach to the cards, research.. research.. research.. You do not need another novelty deck. You need more books. If you want to use the cards for divination, research it. How does divination work? What are the common threads in Astrology, Palmistry, Geomancy? When you find an interesting idea, hunt down its 'root'. "Ah, SIX is symbolic of harmony." Now go find out where this idea came from, and when you know, ask yourself if you find this reason valid or not! Don't take Levi's, Crowley's or Camoin's word for anything. Check it out yourself!! If you're taking a Jungist approach to reading, GO READ SOME JUNG! If you are one of these 'hyper-spiritual' beings, and have a direct line to the divine - aka "I read intuitively!" and think research is unnecessary, you stand corrected! You need to research the phenomenon of intuition! How does it work? How can you hone it?
TIP #3 - Imitate, Assimilate, Innovate
Once you have the appropriate 'knowledge bank' initiate a little I.A.I.! Don't fall into the trap of thinking of innovation in the modernist/socialists' misinterpretation - as a destructive process. Cherish and use the tradition. Build on our ancestral knowledge base!
TIP #4 - Qualify
Qualify and rigorously test your methods. Keep what works, and discard what doesn't. I use the Tarot mainly as a predictive divination tool, and have little or no interest in 'consoling people, or telling them how to solve their problems. I attempt only to give objective predictions, so I can only speak of qualifying methods to that particular end. An easy method of qualifying predictive divination methods is to do a daily reading on the following day's weather. Keep doing this until you can correctly predict the next days weather for one month straight. I would consider this a bare minimum of qualifying before attempting to do predictive divination for anyone other than your cat!
TIP #1 - Define 'reading'
What are you doing when you read? Is it a Jungian 'free-association' method? Are you attempting to predict the future? What is it EXACTLY that you are trying to do here? Know and commit to whatever it is. Define it for yourself, and be able to explain it to your 'victims'. If the querent is wanting to know which horse to bet on, and you can only give advice about why he has a need to gamble, you need another querent, and he needs another reader. Always let your querent know what sort of 'reading' they'll be getting, and don't be afraid to decline a querent if his inquiry doesn't mesh with your 'style'.
TIP #2 - Be a Sponge
What ever your approach to the cards, research.. research.. research.. You do not need another novelty deck. You need more books. If you want to use the cards for divination, research it. How does divination work? What are the common threads in Astrology, Palmistry, Geomancy? When you find an interesting idea, hunt down its 'root'. "Ah, SIX is symbolic of harmony." Now go find out where this idea came from, and when you know, ask yourself if you find this reason valid or not! Don't take Levi's, Crowley's or Camoin's word for anything. Check it out yourself!! If you're taking a Jungist approach to reading, GO READ SOME JUNG! If you are one of these 'hyper-spiritual' beings, and have a direct line to the divine - aka "I read intuitively!" and think research is unnecessary, you stand corrected! You need to research the phenomenon of intuition! How does it work? How can you hone it?
TIP #3 - Imitate, Assimilate, Innovate
Once you have the appropriate 'knowledge bank' initiate a little I.A.I.! Don't fall into the trap of thinking of innovation in the modernist/socialists' misinterpretation - as a destructive process. Cherish and use the tradition. Build on our ancestral knowledge base!
TIP #4 - Qualify
Qualify and rigorously test your methods. Keep what works, and discard what doesn't. I use the Tarot mainly as a predictive divination tool, and have little or no interest in 'consoling people, or telling them how to solve their problems. I attempt only to give objective predictions, so I can only speak of qualifying methods to that particular end. An easy method of qualifying predictive divination methods is to do a daily reading on the following day's weather. Keep doing this until you can correctly predict the next days weather for one month straight. I would consider this a bare minimum of qualifying before attempting to do predictive divination for anyone other than your cat!
firefrost
RaH - thank you for your imput.
I've been learning and reading RWS seriously (as in for others) only a relatively short time really, the last five years or so.
I have read and researched to a degree, but the last few months have seen me with a craving for reading intuitively, which I've been practising here with friends and other readers. Simply saying what we feel about a card, regardless of any 'real' meanings.
I believe it was this feeling that led me to the Marseilles, a reading system that I've never before in my life looked twice at. Now I'm finding it fascinating.
Looking at the way you study, I would think you'd probably just consider me shallow.
Not complaining or arguing or anything, just my observation - I'm getting good at those!
I've been learning and reading RWS seriously (as in for others) only a relatively short time really, the last five years or so.
I have read and researched to a degree, but the last few months have seen me with a craving for reading intuitively, which I've been practising here with friends and other readers. Simply saying what we feel about a card, regardless of any 'real' meanings.
I believe it was this feeling that led me to the Marseilles, a reading system that I've never before in my life looked twice at. Now I'm finding it fascinating.
Looking at the way you study, I would think you'd probably just consider me shallow.
Not complaining or arguing or anything, just my observation - I'm getting good at those!
firefrost
le pendu said:
le penu, I got my deck from his site, and it's in my favourites.
I've printed out you posts and now I'm off to do the studying. I'll PM you later. Glad you liked my 'Horse whisperer'!
Melanchollic
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firefrost
Melanchollic said:
Because I doubt I'd ever even attempt to predict the British weather and next door's cat won't listen to a thing before a bowl of milk, after which she promptly goes to sleep.
Oh, and thank you about my name
Melanchollic
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